Jeff

Indianapolis, Indiana USA

Personal Profile

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A longterm servant of God, a sinner saved by grace.
Praying & waiting for God's provision of a faithful Christian wife, a woman who loves prayer, who seeks Jesus, who loves to worship, who puts God first in her life, who loves to meditate on God's Word,
who has a heart to spread the Revelation of Jesus to others!
Lifelong togetherness in Jesus, friendship & Christian marriage,
in a union joined together by God Himself,
a lifelong relationship which will NEVER be DIVIDED!

Jeff: a Matthew 6:33 Christian man
seeking Jesus first!

 

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Praying for a Christian wife in God's will, time & choosing.

Wanting a Christian lifelong partner with a heart for the nations, a girl who is a missionary at heart, a wife who faithfully loves God & wants to live to help other people to know Jesus. A woman after God's own heart, Who loves to worship Jesus & pray for others, to enjoy God's Presence & meditate on God's Word (the Bible) day and night. A virgin, who will forsake all this world's lures & lies & desires Psalm 133 in Christian marriage. A faithful woman who believes in friendship, courtship & betrothal and is ready for lifelong faithfulness to one Christian husband.
Jeff's life profile

Gender:
A spiritual God-seeking man, (not just a) Male, Athletic & Healthy, a man of prayer & worship, a man of God's Word, Who seeks to be a man after God's own heart because...

TRUE MEN LOVE Jesus!

Age:

Born again Christian for over 24 years

Jeff is a Matt. 6:33 Christian man,
a sinner saved by grace

 

Location:

Indianapolis,  Indiana USA

Height:

around 6' 3"

 

Occupation:

computer guru & professional businessman & MacIndy.com company owner

 

Weight:

185 pounds

Flavor of Christian faith:

Non-denominational, inter-denominational, Bible centered, Jesus is God, the cross and Blood of Christ are the only Way to Heaven and the sole means of salvation, Full Gospel, gifts of the Spirit are real & everything the Bible says is true, Born again Christian for over 24 years, reads/listens to the Bible, prays and worships Jesus for hours a day

 

Marital Status/history:

Single (never married), a virgin

Priority of Christian Beliefs:

For over 20 years, Christian seeking has been at the top of my list, & defines who I am

 

Race/Ethnicity:

White, American born

Education:

Two Bachelor's Degrees (twice completed college)

 

Smoking:

Nonsmoker (never smoked, never will)

Intellect:

Above Average, two college degrees completed

Drinking/Drugs:

I Never drink anything alcoholic or put any other dangerous chemicals into my body. I do not seek artificial or chemical highs (never have, never will)

Jesus & the Presence of God is the ONLY high needed to enjoy life or deal with struggles we face. In God's Presence is FULLNESS of joy! Psalm 16

 

Extrovert & people person:

I initiate conversation & am usually outgoing in situations where this is fruitful or appropriate. I am a people person.

Personality characteristics:

Artistic, Musical, Easy going, Nurturing, Romantic, Affectionate, Loving, Kind, Gentle, Relationship & people oriented, good listener, Caring, heart desires one woman for life

 

Humor:

I love telling jokes or stories. And feel God Himself has a great sense of humor. Psalm 2 says: "The One enthroned in heaven LAUGHS!" My favorite picture of Jesus is one an artist rendered of Jesus full of joy his face expressing a hearty "belly laugh."

 

Politics:

Conservative (Biblical, Christian) perspective on matters

 

Health/Fitness/Diet:

Exercise & health is a high priority. (Prayer & worship & the Bible & ministering to others is even higher in priority. = A healthy, fit spiritual diet Psalm 1:3)

 

Thinker / Feeler:

Feeler (spiritual, praying, heart listening to God & His Word, intuitive, sensitive), very open with my feelings and emotions to trusted, close Christian friends. Yet also very studied with 2 college degrees (Thinker), a computer tech guru (for a fulltime living) and Artistic (musician, songwriter).

Favorite Outdoor Activities:

walking, exercising& parks nature areas

Money:

Means little to me. I have plenty of income but am usually a Careful Spender.
Though I have plenty of income, I just don't waste or squander it. I believe in giving to missions & providing Bibles for world evangelism in countries where people are hungry for God (and won't let God's Word collect dust).

 

Favorite Indoor Activities:

Prayer & fellowship & Bible & music/worship

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Planning:

I plan business & schedule related things, but am flexible & easygoing otherwise

 

Fashion/dress:

Fashion is a pair of jeans

Neatness:

I prefer the 'Lived In' look (but with things findable & organized in a useful order). My business is orderly & organized.

 

Looks:

Above average looks, healthy, athletic, toned, physically slim yet muscular

Have Children? Feelings about what it really means to consider becoming a parent:

Have never had any biological children. Have never been married.

More importantly though I have done the work of evangelism for many years sharing the gospel with hundreds and thousands of people. Making fruitful use of single, nonmarried years. I have been a spiritual father (discipler) to many younger Christians over these years. Taught Bible studies and shepherded families, others' children and home fellowship groups (to help people grow in the faith). I like & enjoy children and have worked in children's ministries, taught Sunday school & taught about 4 years in the Indpls public schools (elementary age kids). I really love & enjoy ministering to kids. I have found by not having my own biological children I am free to minister to MANY MORE children (others') than if I was responsibly focused on one or two of my own.

Biblical ideas (through Jeff's eyes) about marriage & children...
Having children is something which should be given to prayer and left UP TO THE LORD. Parenting should only be desired and undertaken in today's difficult world, not out of unmet emotional needs or fanciful hopes for the bliss of being mom and dad. But only if the two marriage partners will together pursue LIFELONG FAITHFULNESS to each other. And, within this lifelong commitment, together prayerfully and soberly consider the 20+ year responsibility and cost of time and lots of money that bringing a child into the world truly is.

Then only if the two, honestly before God, understand the commitment and will together to spiritually, lovingly care for, raise and train a needy human being in the ways of the Lord. We live in a world full of abandoned children, unwed mothers and divorce. Any Christian relationship should LESSEN that problem. Not add to a world of orphans & child neglect.

Intimacy & romance between a Christian husband & wife (a lifelong romance with ONE) is wonderful! And I am all for that. To add to this the responsibility of parenting and the needs of a third human being should not be rushed into lightly. Having a child is a 20 year commitment.

I feel a newly married couple is better off to be prayerful, led by God and think soberly about their life and future. Almost anyone can "have children." Not many though have the heart or character to responsibly parent. A man and woman should ask whether they can best meet the needs of today's world by focusing their lives on God and ministering to others. Consider seeking and saving the lost (outsiders) and having a heart for the nations instead of spending so many years on we, ourselves and us? Living lives seeking Jesus and His intimate Presence. Loving & shepherding others and evangelizing the world (as Matt. 6:33, Matt. 28:18-20 urge) as of first priority.

Having and raising children greatly diminishes the available time and energy a couple can have to pray and reach out to the world with the saving message of Jesus and His love. More children, less time for others.

The overall principle of minimizing "distracting" or "competing" responsibilities is to focus a greater amount of a couple's time and attention on the work of the ministry. Caring for other people. Paul & Jesus (both) in their singleness both chose this pathway. And 1 Corinthians 7 describes it in detail. For example, be youth group leaders to several dozen kids (instead of spend 7 days a week caring for only your own)?

Children are a blessing from the Lord. However, having children should be left up to a mutual seeking of God's will by husband and wife and knowing the responsibilities and costs involved. Jesus lived a single life all his years so the world could benefit. Because "God so loved THE WORLD."

For some of us, the temptations of an immoral world or our own weaknesses can eventually signal a time in life when you feel too susceptible and may need to "punt" (and get married), for companionship and safety. For "it is better to marry (and find safe commitment) than to burn with passion (in an immoral or nonmarried way)." And "since there is so much immorality (in today's world), each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband (marrying each other as virgins and remaining together in lifelong faithfulness to ONE as husband and wife)." - 1 Cor. 7 summarized

After 20 years of adult Christian life, I am still a virgin (on purpose). By a ton of grace and help from the Lord. I have struggled to keep my life physically and relationally unentangled from baggage because I want my future wife to feel safe, to know I will be faithful to her for life. That by God's grace she will be the ONE & ONLY the rest of our lives. Titus and Timothy say: a man should be "the husband of BUT ONE wife." This is God's sexual and romantic best.

I feel Wisdom would reveal that to yield to temptation to want physical involvement with any person not married to is a dangerous mistake. Proverbs 4-7 goes into all the gory details. Sexual intimacy is only safe and blessed when enjoyed with ONE marriage partner for life. One man, one woman, virgins when married. Together for life, never involved romantically or sexually with anyone else prior to or outside of marriage (emotionally or physically), faithful to one for life. A lifelong, exclusive intimacy. This is God's very best, never to be shared with strangers. I have purposely waited most of my adult and Christian life for ONE.

 

Income:

$60,000 to $100,000 range in recent years, increasing every year

Relationship history:

Am still a virgin, have avoided casual "dating" for many years, instead sought to keep my life pure before God, and avoid inappropriate relationships, for reasons of Christian integrity, safety & purity. Seek spiritually focused friendships centered on Jesus instead (when these become possible).

 

Spectator Sports:

I don't like being a spectator but want to PARTICIPATE, not merely watch

Relationship hoped for:

I believe in Jesus-focused friendship, courtship & betrothal. I'd like to find the Lord's provision of a long term friendship, a relationship which is God's choosing, getting to know a faithful Christian woman who will be a lifelong partner. To be friends, God has joined together, and never be divided. I do not believe in divorce. My motto is NEVER DIVIDED! I have held out for Lifelong faithfulness to one. This is what I I pray and wait for.

 

Preferred Age for a woman Jeff would like to become friends with and court:

A tried & true, faithful Christian woman probably any age between 20 to 36 years old (flexible, age is not that important, a heart for God is what counts)

Television viewing, movies, & ideas about entertainment & music:

Psalm 1:1-3 (the Bible & Holy Spirit) should sensitively guide what Christians do and don't do. The purpose is Romans 12:1-3 For reasons like these, I don't watch any secular (non-Christian) television/videos/movies or read/listen to pagan/secular music or radio (and would wish for the meditations and messages of the world to be not allowed in a future Christian home with a wife).

Instead an appropriate Christian wife would desire and seek God with me and we would spend time with each other, enjoying each other and fun things. Especially the joy of God's Presence (Psalm 16 & Psalm 126 fulfilled).

The faithful Christian woman God chooses would prefer to seek God and pray together with her husband. We would worship the Lord alone at home as a couple and be like Psalm 1:1-3 describes, meditating on God's Word day and night, TOGETHER. This leads to life.

Real interaction with real people, preferably in a way which is fun, edifying, ministering or focusing on God is much preferred over mind-corrupting or vegetative (non-people oriented) passive "entertainment."

For example a much more edifying approach to enjoyment could be something like listening to Christian music or worshipping the Lord TOGETHER with a friend in a meditative or worshipful sharing. This leads to more meaningful friendship and sharing and growing closer with each other. Because it is time focused on relationship and interaction with God. Anything like this is BETTER.

Psalm 101 says: "I have resolved to set before my eyes no vile thing." And Romans 12:1-3 describes the best way.

"Better is one day in Your courts than a thousand elsewhere." - Psalm 84

 

How a friend would describe Jeff_indianapolis to others:

Jeff Loves to talk & sing about God! To witness to others about Jesus & the Bible. Worshipping the Lord and sharing Him with others is Jeff's LIFE! (What else is there?) Any thing pertaining to Jesus, God's Word, worship, God's Presence, prayer, Christian music in the Holy of Holies embracing God's intimate Presence is the ULTIMATE excitement! "And being WITH YOU (Lord) I desire NOTHING on earth." - Psalms

Jeff's Preferences in a possible future Partner

A woman who has kept herself pure, who wants one husband for life. To her, God, the Bible, worshipping Jesus is her LIFE (also). I believe in lifelong faithfulness to ONE woman (as the scripture encourages), God's BEST.

There is mercy and forgiveness for any hurts, mistakes and failures in life through Jesus. But God's BEST is (Titus and Timothy both say) to "be the husband of but ONE wife." Lifelong faithfulness. That is what I am looking and praying for. I have found that Jesus-centered friendships, Biblically rich sharing and caring, that approach to getting to know one another is best. I would want to build the foundation of our friendship on praying for one another, WITH one another, and sharing the Word and ministering to others together. A Jesus-centered friendship, caring for one another, fulfilling the "one anothers" of scripture, then COURTING with the specific mutual intention toward seeking and confirming God's will for friendship and marriage. Jesus first, friendship, courting. Then marriage with Matt. 6:33, preestablished as our basis. It is a rare and wonderful Christian woman who would really long to do things this way and build a life together based on God, not human level bonding alone.

Tell us a little about your Christian faith, such as how you became a Christian, what your faith means to you:

Born again Christian for over 24 years. God & the Bible, worshipping Jesus and sharing Him with others is my LIFE! (What else is there?) Any thing pertaining to Jesus, God's Word, worship, God's Presence, prayer, Christian music in the Holy of Holies embracing God's intimate Presence is the ULTIMATE excitement! "And being WITH YOU (Lord) I desire NOTHING on earth." - Psalm 73

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Describe your personality and physical appearance. Include information about hobbies, interests, pets, musical abilities, etc.

God & the Bible, prayer, worshipping Jesus & ministering to others is my LIFE!
I love God, Christian music, God's Word, ministering to people & enjoy children.

I love & enjoy CHILDREN! I spent most of the years from 1988-1995 involved in children's ministries, teaching Sunday school & trying to find various avenues to minister to children. I spent several years as an elementary education classroom school teacher in public schools & also spent summers as a recreation director in city parks to minister JESUS to kids! I love playing and goofing around with kids when the opportunity is there. Have also done downtown evangelistic children's ministries in inner city neighborhoods. Wherever kids were that's where I would go. Jesus LOVES the LITTLE CHILDREN! "Let the little children come unto me, for to such BELONGS THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN!

I am a musician, play saxophone, guitar, piano, am a Christian songwriter and worship leader. The Lord has given me hundreds of Christian songs for worship and ministry. I am involved in music ministry for evangelism and as ministry to believers.

I like to work out (walks, treadmill, running machines, etc.) and do so on a regular basis. I eat a healthy diet, am slim, well-exercised, muscular & healthy. It would be nice someday to have a work out partner and, even better, someone to worship Jesus with in the Holy of Holies, playing piano & guitar and Christian worship music, and to spend time in prayer & in the Word with everyday. A faithful woman who loves God to go to church WITH. My favorite hobbies are worshipping God, writing and recording Christian music, ministering to others and prayer!

What kind of work do you do? Do you enjoy it?

Computer service, repair, upgrade, support tech (have my own computer store and repair shop and do onsite computer tech work). I have a computer shop (where I sell and service new and used computers, do upgrades, repair, troubleshooting, etc.) I am a full time tech guy and do onsite tech support service for companies, corporations & small businesses on a free lance basis (as well as my music stuff which I do part time on the side). I own MacIndy dot com It is the business God gave and built for me. A miracle of God's faithful provision! My income runs $60,000-100,000 and increases each fiscal year. (Though my business, compared to CompUSA or Circuit City, is small). Still the entire glory goes to God who has taken me into a kind of work where I have a completely flexible schedule, can work (or not work) any hours or days as is appropriate. It's like being paid well and flexibly able to be "on vacation" whenever you want, go on mission trips and put God first year round. I can take any morning or afternoon off any day of the week. Am not bound to a desk, meet a variety of people. Can have unlimited free time to minister, fellowship, prioritize a relationship and give God and the "would-be wife" first place in the day or week. It is the most incredible of arrangements from God's own hand! My business has been very, very fruitful as a BRIDGE to meet and minister Jesus to dozens and dozens of strangers ("computer-crazed" unbelievers) through the common interest of computers. You get chances to serve them in a meaningful and sincere way that builds a friendly open door to also witness. Hallelujah to God!!!

How do you view your level of spiritual maturity? Do you attend services and/or Bible Studies or other Christian fellowship gatherings? Are you involved in ministries?

Have been a Christian since saved 24+ years ago. Have struggles. Still growing. Sometimes feel like Noah or Lot, trapped on the edge of a wicked world. 2 Peter 2:4-9 I am filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4, 19:6, 10:44-48), believe it is IMPORTANT for Christians to be OPEN to ALL the gifts of the Spirit (prophecy, healing, revelation gifts, dreams, visions, tongues, discernment, music, ALL!). Why limit God? God & the Bible, worshipping Jesus and sharing Him with others is my LIFE! (What else is there?)

What was your major and/or favorite classes in high school and/or college?

Music, Business & Elementary Education (two college degrees completed and an IN State teacher's license in Elementary Education) through Ball State & IU

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Why did your most recent relationship(s) not work out?

I have never been married. And have no children. And am still a virgin. I have sought a few pure, Christ-centered close Christian friendships with Christian women over the years. Each relationship was purposely kept pure & chaste. I am still a virgin. And have tried to keep each friendship focused on God's will & seeking the Lord. Sharing His Word & Presence together (Matt. 6:33) and keep our lives and times together Christ-centered and full of good fruit. Somehow in each case the possibilities with each Christian woman was either not God's will to continue to the level of marriage or the other person began to show evident signs of not wanting to be committed to the Lord further or a loving, faithful friendship with me. I have always wanted a lifelong, faithful friendship where we will grow together in deephearted following of Christ. (Not merely stay at some "entry-level" Christian faith, where, lacking hunger, some only seek enough to "stay saved" or call themselves Christian. Instead I am looking for a woman who has a "heart for the nations," who wants to go to the mission field (here in America or elsewhere). And desires, with me, to lay down her life to love others and help them know the Lord. Together, lifelong, faithful, seek and serve the Lord.

Out of obedience to God's Word and seeking only pure relationships with women all these years, I am still a virgin and struggle in today's messed up, confused world to try to keep my heart before God in prayer in the area of women to have an undefiled testimony before the Lord. I believe in the 1 Th 4 scripture which says: "Learn to acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable not...like the heathen who do not know God."

*see addtl comments below for more details about where my life has been in this regard

What are your favorite musicians, authors, artists, songs, books, poems, paintings, etc?

David (Psalms & other Psalmists in the Bible)
I am a Christian songwriter and worship leader myself and have (by God's inspiration) written hundreds of Christian worship choruses and scripture songs.

Favorite Quotes, Songs or Bible verses:

Phil. 1:6 "Being confident of this that He Who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus!"

Any additional comments?

I have been a Christian over 24 years, I have led a Bible-centered, Jesus=salvation, Jesus is my Best Friend & Lord +yes to Holy Spirit & gifts kind of Christian walk. 1 Cor. 12 (about the gifts of the Spirit) & Acts 2:4 & 19:6 (and Mark 16:15-20) about being FILLED with the Holy Spirit, receiving spiritual gifts are VERY IMPORTANT to EVERY Christian's life. Jesus said: "These signs SHALL accompany those who believe: In my Name they will speak with new (other) tongues (languages)." Speaking in tongues, prophecy, healing and words of knowledge from God are VERY COOL! The Holy Spirit and His gifts and workings are given to strengthen us and minister to people and to enhance our prayer life and relationship with God.

Jesus is my LIFE. Deut. 30:19-20 I am a very serious, seeking Christian. And could probably only be happy with someone who has realized the ONLY blessed life is in selling out fully to seek and serve God!

Out of choice, and turning down lots of possible relationships over the years, I have Never yet married. Though almost could have, would have a few times or so (depending how you count). I have instead postponed marriage 'til now out of commitment to God and preferring instead to be seeking Jesus and ministering to others (eternal things as a greater priority!!!) God first, marriage later.

Never have had any children. Out of obedience to God's Word and struggling to make every attempt to seek only pure relationships with women all these years, I am still a virgin. I believe in the 1 Th 4 scripture which says: "Learn to acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable not...like the heathen who do not know God."

I have done a lot over the years in children's ministry, evangelistic ministry, shepherding house churches, music ministry, teaching Bible studies, discipling younger believers, as well as prophetic and encouragement ministry to other Christians. 1 Cor. 7 & Jesus' words in Matthew about "not seeking a wife," being "content to remain single" and "renouncing marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" have really formed the Matt. 6:33 priorities I have followed for a couple decades since my teens.

It has been feeling more and more though that perhaps the season may be here to seek the face of God in prayer about a Christ-loving and honoring wife. Which I have been doing (especially the last two years or so). I believe in Heaven-arranged marriages, one woman, one man, faithful to each other for life. Proverbs 4-7 is a good guidebook on relationships. In the middle of those chapters, it says: "let them (your heart & emotions & physical intimacy) be yours alone, never to be shared with strangers." (This is a very wise passage about staying true to lifelong faithfulness to ONE, physical intimacy ONLY WITH ONE woman in lifelong commitment of marriage for life).

Though there is forgiveness, mercy, healing and restoration for any "old mistakes," it is God's best to marry, both virgins, with a Matt. 6:33 focus of life and friendship. Then live fully committed to seek Jesus together in worship, prayer and God's Word - be in the Bible & prayer TOGETHER regularly!

A husband and wife can serve God together in evangelism and have a relationship focus of ministering to others as a "ministry temple of two." In Jesus TWO become ONE! Eccl. 4 says: "TWO are BETTER THAN ONE for they have a good return for their work."

I have prayed about the possibility of a Jesus-centered, ministry-fruitful Christian marriage for many years. And have waited 'til now to see it actually HAPPEN! Last summer God gave me a song: "In the FULLNESS of God's time, there will be a bride this time. And WE WILL REJOICE! YES WE WILL REJOICE! In God's time."

God first brought the subject of desire for a lifelong companion to my heart by prayer and revelation over fifteen years ago. Since then I have done a LOT OF WAITING!!! Mostly I just needed to grow up myself (and that has taken a LONG time). To learn to be a man of God and put Jesus first. To let the Lord be THE LOVE OF MY LIFE. And to learn an UNSELFISH single life of praying for and ministering to OTHERS.

God's provision of a faithful, seeking Christian wife is in His hands. I feel from scripture it will probably happen when least expected (like in Genesis 22 when the Ram SUDDENLY appeared in the thicket on Abraham's mountain of sacrifice). Sacrifice first. Provision later. You might be encouraged to know that the Lord provided a wife for Adam WHILE HE WAS ASLEEP! (That means no effort, dating, looking or struggle took place on Adam's part. Adam was simply RESTING.) Marriage began as 100% God's arrangement and faithful provision. Psalm 127 says: "While they SLEEP the Lord provides for those He loves. And unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain."

I usually spend Hours a day thinking about God, listening to God's Word, hearing His heart in prayer, song and worship. I love listening to the Bible on cassette, CD or computer and talking to others about it. The Lord is my life!

My income has been increasing every year in my flourishing computer business. Have my own computer business (sales, tech support and service). See MacIndy.com for more. I am a musician also. See MacIndy.com/ms for more on the music side of me. (Audio links are there to hear some of my songs. Or you can read my Christian testimony or order a free music CD of original songs God has given me . Click the link below to listen to FREE, live streaming original Christian music from my website (songs God has given). ENJOY!

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Twice completed college (two bachelor's degrees) + an Indiana teacher's license. Live on the southside of Indianapolis, Indiana near Greenwood.

For encouragement in your walk with the Lord or for more about me (or MORE IMPORTANTLY more about Jesus & God's Word) see:
macindy.com /ms Thanks.

Write me if you want to share your testimony with me or encourage each other or know more. Thanks for reading my story. If God leads you, please pray for me!

Tell me about yourself? Please send your picture, when you contact me. So I can feel I am talking with a person, not just some impersonal text on a screen or piece of paper in my P.O. Box. And please tell me, if you would, more
details about your relationship with God when you write. Who is Jesus to you, every day? What has God been speaking to you lately? What is your story? Thanks.

 

Jeff's contact information:

U.S. mail: Write Jeff c/o P.O. Box 7601 Greenwood, IN 46142

To communicate with me, I prefer if you would do it (handwritten) on paper by U.S. mail (rather than anything typed or sent by email or fax). If you have a personal, business or Christian reason to contact me, please direct your U.S. mail to: Jeff c/o P.O. Box 7601 Greenwood, IN 46142 This goes to a private, secure P.O. Box. For me, this is much preferred over email. And more private & personal. Thanks.

Jeff's Christian music website: www.MacIndy.com/ms

Jeff's computer business website: www.MacIndy.com

 

For stories of Jeff's spiritual experiences as a musician click here

 

To read Jeff's spiritual revelations, Biblical messages or hear God-given original songs click here